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[–]pidzik 21 points 3 years ago
I thought 18th St. in Gary, IN would also be included.

[–]Mr_Stinkfinger 16 points 3 years ago
No doubt. They are definitely not the only as 18th St. has been around for about a year. They make some great beers.

[–]PresidentJonStewart 3 points 3 years ago
Good enough to risk being shot at/mugged in Gary?

[–]TheReverendBill 9 points 3 years ago
Is Drew Fox is the sole owner of 18th St., or does he have non-AA partners?

[–]NateShowww 5 points 3 years ago
He has partners.

[–]pidzik 6 points 3 years ago
That sir, is the right question.

[–]TheReverendBill 13 points 3 years ago
I live in New Orleans and have never heard of this brewery. Their site is a mess, they refer to themselves as a "microbrewery in planning", offer no description of their beers, and do not tell me where I can find any of them. I'm all for another brewery in town, but these guys need to step it up if they're gonna make it.

[–]zaphod_85 3 points 3 years ago
With the number of new breweries that spring up every year nowadays, it's so crucial for new companies to be on top of their web and social media presence. Unless you're putting out gold-medal winners at the GABF, word of mouth really isn't gonna do enough to keep a steady flow of customers coming in the door.

[–]d4mini0n[S] 4 points 3 years ago
Someone else commented that they have their stuff at festivals, which isn't a bad first step. I hadn't heard of them either until a friend of mine from high school posted the article, I went to Franklin.

[–]TheReverendBill 8 points 3 years ago
Looks like they'll be at the International Fest (never heard of it) at the port tomorrow. Free event, maybe I'll go check them out.

[–]fakejoebiden 1 point 3 years ago
I've had their stuff at a few festivals around. Pretty mediocre and gimmicky.

[–]wymerica 5 points 3 years ago
Kat Daddy Brewery in Southern California is also African American owned and operated.
Awesome beer too.

[–]WhiskyTango3 1 point 3 years ago
I came here to say this about Marcus as well, but he just folded and Brew Rebellion out of Yucaipa, CA just took over his brewery.

[–]dirtycomatose 3 points 3 years ago
Their beer is quite good. I thoroughly enjoyed the caramel stout they brought out for NOLA on Tap last month.

[–]kudosxv 7 points 3 years ago
Can someone tell me why race matters at all when it comes to the guy brewing my beer?

[–]jwil191 12 points 3 years ago
cause it is about time for the craft beer industry to attack the 40oz market.
ducks and hides from the downvotes

[–]DrRabbitt 10 points 3 years ago
I'd be down with better tasting 40's

[–]moodog72 3 points 3 years ago
Seriously. I would like that as well.

[–]shanedoth 7 points 3 years ago
Because as consumers of a product, we should be interested in competition to provide that product.

Imagine a society where only people born on Sundays could be doctors. Roughly 1 out of every 7 people would have the potential to become doctors, which is still way more doctors than you would need. But what do you think would happen? Steering potentially smart people away from a profession on something as arbitrary as what day you were born hurts that profession. Shrinking the talent pool unnecessarily hurts the end product. Now if you made it so that people born on Sundays couldn't be doctors, the effect wouldn't be as extreme, but it would still have significant effects on the quality of the medical profession (and the downstream effects in medical careers in general).

Now, obviously, the numbers aren't quite that extreme. But culturally shutting out any significant portion of society from a profession means that the quality of that profession will tend to suffer. What we want is 100% of the workforce to have 100% of the jobs potentially available to them. When minorities and women started getting barriers to entry torn down, we went on decades of sustained growth in large part because people could become more productive (and the competition was healthier).

You can see it in sports. How well a country or a state does in producing talent at a sport depends heavily on which sport gets all the glory in that region. The talented athletes might play soccer, or football, or basketball, or track and field, or whatever. Obviously it's not a perfect one-for-one transition, but the cultural factors do sway the results as a whole.

To tie it back to beer — cultural barriers that prevent 15% of the population from participating in a craft hurts the peak potential of that craft. I'm a beer drinker, and I want as many people falling in love with the craft as possible, so that we get the best possible result.

[–]Tibbs420 4 points 3 years ago
Call me naive but I don't think their are any 'cultural barriers' keeping Black Americans from opening breweries save that craft beer just isn't prevalent in their culture? Now that may be due to various socioeconomic barriers but I highly doubt that anybody with any authority to do so is going to tell a black man, with the necessary skill and capital, that he cant open a brewery because he's black.

[–]RichardMNixon42 3 points 3 years ago
Call me naive but I don't think their are any 'cultural barriers' keeping Black Americans from opening breweries save that craft beer just isn't prevalent in their culture?

Supposing that's all it is in its entirety... do you still not see that more black brewers and brewery-owners will help to break down that cultural barrier? That's pretty much the entire point. Culture has inertia; breweries like this one can get the ball rolling. I'll let Garrett Oliver take it from here.

It hasn't escaped Oliver's attention that he is the only black brewmaster in America. His enthusiastic ramble slows a bit when the subject of why there are so few black beer geeks comes up. He attributes some of it to class issues. "So many of us are just getting to mainstream economic status," he said. "Activities of genuine leisure won't be far behind."

The genuine leisure Oliver refers to isn't drinking beer, which doesn't require much of an investment, it is travel. He figures most beer fanatics caught their passion in Europe. "Just look at how few Americans have their passport [even generous estimates put it at one in three]; it's even worse in the African-American community."

He also noted the success of Heineken's marketing campaign toward the African-American community. "Heineken is like a Cadillac," he said, noting that it's a good car but that people who treated it as a great car were showing what they don't know as much as what they know. Oliver expects that in a generation, black craft beer brewmasters will begin to mirror the African-American presence in the population at large.

[–]shanedoth 4 points 3 years ago
I don't think their are any 'cultural barriers' keeping Black Americans from opening breweries save that craft beer just isn't prevalent in their culture?

What definition of cultural barrier are you using? You basically said "I don't see any cultural barriers, other than a major cultural barrier." And then you went and listed another one for good measure (socioeconomic differences).

I'm talking about the fact that black people drink far less beer per capita than white people do, and that craft brewing, culturally, hit its hotspots in places that happen to be far whiter than the rest of the country (Colorado, Vermont, the Pacific Northwest).

Craft brewing, at this point in time, appeals to a very small demographic within the U.S. It's overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly male, relatively rich, relatively urban and relatively young. I think the generational thing will sort itself out over time, but the whiteness and the richness (breweries, like wineries, strike me as a bit of a vanity business) I think are holding back the craft from its full potential. Policymakers often think about "talent pools" and improving the quality of the pool itself in order to improve the quality of what it produces, and I think the easiest way to improve the craft beer talent pool is to expand it so that a larger chunk of the population will get into it.

[–]DrRabbitt 3 points 3 years ago

I've asked this question the last time an article like this was posted. The general response seemed to be "because" and then telling me I'm somehow racists because I don't care what color someone's skin is, only if their beer is good or not

[–]d4mini0n[S] 4 points 3 years ago

There are thousands of breweries in the country and only three or four owned by people of a race that's ~1/8th of the population. If that doesn't matter to you, cool, but to some people it does.

[–]kudosxv 7 points 3 years ago

Such a non-answer. You don't even explain a reason other than their skin color is a different shade than a majority. As if that is going to make my beer taste different or they should be put on a pedestal for some reason. This is bringing race into something it really doesn't need to be.

I wonder if "White man opens barber shop in Harlem" would be as news-worthy?

[–]yourlogicisflawed -2 points 3 years ago

They would say it's a tragedy that the evil white man is gentrifying their community.

[–]jwil191 0 points 3 years ago *

To answer you question seriously, it doesn't at all from a civil or rights deal. However it is interesting from beer history stand point; while there are Africas that drink beer, beer is not an Africa thing. Its a sign that maybe white and black are finally just becoming Americas.

As a Houstonian that went LSU and got a job on Baton Rouge after school, I am just happy more beer is on the state.

[–]kennyminot -1 points 3 years ago

He perfectly answered your question, but you seem to be insisting on turning this into some sort of political discussion. Depending on which poll you consult, roughly 20% of the public is liberal, and we tend to view discussions of race to be quite important. We find it interesting to see a group of African-American folk try to break into an industry that primarily targets middle and upper-class white men. It doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the beer, and it's not some sort of backhanded insult to white culture.

[–]kudosxv 2 points 3 years ago

They target that segment of the population simply because they are most interested in their product and spend the most money. If African Americans spent more money on beer and not liquor you'd see more advertising towards them from breweries instead of from Moscato or Sassy liquor.

[–]kennyminot 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not saying craft breweries are racist. I'm just stating a fact: craft beer is one of those things liked by fairly wealthy white guys, so it's interesting to see a group of African-American folk break into that market.

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[–]westlaunboy 1 point 3 years ago
It's an excellent question, and I wish it didn't, but the underrepresentation proves that it does.

[–]d4mini0n[S] 1 point 3 years ago

Because humans are inherently pack animals who want to form groups of those similar to themselves and skin color is a quick distinguishing characteristic.

As a less snarky answer, the US has a history of systematic oppression where it is harder for POC to, among other things, own small businesses. The fact that the owners are black don't make me any more or less likely to buy their beer, but from a sociological standpoint I'm wondering why a company that started in 2011 is the first, and why three years later are there only two or three more.

[–]basie_bot 2 points 3 years ago

Does anyone else have a problem with the fact that the ethnicity of a brewery matters at all? Just curious if because it was made by a black person it tasts better or since we call them African Americans still what progress it proves we have made.

[–]DrRabbitt 2 points 3 years ago

Like actual African immigrants, or just normal Americans with darker skin?

[–][deleted] -4 points 3 years ago

I find that hard to believe. The Black Man, due to economic terrorism by the federal government has been disproportionately forced into poverty and therefore forced to drink cheap swill. Now that beer is in vogue, you'd have to be a European to not seize this type of business opportunity, as well as further the craft.

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